Police State Brutality and C-SPAN debate - please take the time to watch

America must see this - please forward!

Dear Friends and Family.

I fear the worst for our Sweet Land of Liberty when our nations bravest are treated this way upon their return home. When events like this happen but you don't hear about them on daily shows, radio and newspapers, we are truly in the final stages in our turn towards a Fascist state.

Iraqi war veterans face trampled by police horses at Hofstra University during this years Presidential debate after being dragged to ground by riot police:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlI7tQCqwbU



Using horses as weapons to beat down protesters:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjBEwhisGJs

And for those that missed it live last night - here's the C-SPAN Presidential debate between Ralph Nader and Chuck Baldwin - even if you'd rather vote republicrat, watch it just to see what you are missing in the false, controlled republicrat debates, here is 90 minutes of real discourse, real options, real time to talk about the issues. If you are a republican or democrat, and are NOT IN A SWING STATE - I deplore you to consider voting for one of these 2 candidates- both uphold the principals of our founding fathers, respect the power of the law and truly would uphold the constitution of our grand United States.

http://c-span.org/search.aspx?For=third%20party%20debate

Third Party Presidential Debate
	Third Party candidates Ralph Nader (I) and Chuck Baldwin (Constitution Party) meet in a debate, hosted by Free and Equal. This is Mr. Nader's fourth presidential campaign. Mr. Baldwin is a radio talk show host and Baptist Minister. Thursday : Washington, DC : 1 hr. 31 min.
Wash. Journal Question: "Do Third Political Parties Matter?"

If we continue down this path - we will end up here - if you haven't watched it you should:
http://www.snagfilms.com/films/title/the_end_of_america/

I have also cross posted this to my blog, where you can read about more of today's issues:
http://strikingsail.blogspot.com/

Tolli

I quoted some comments from around the world in regard to this debate and the push towards our individual breaking point. What is your breaking point?

http://www.breakingpoint08.com/

I'm going to go ahead and be extreme here: Not supporting Nader/Gonzales is being out of your ever-loving mind. After eight years of the Bush Administration, after twenty-eight years of a dynastic government by, for, and of the rich, how much more do people in this crumbling country need to experience to see that the Democrats are not the "good guys?" Obama is a hypocrite, McCain is just another rich Republican monster, and yet these are our "choices." Again! When will Americans be able to finally identify evil when they see it? Besides, our elections are about as fraudulent as you can get. Americans don't vote a President into office, but merely "root" for someone to win, knowing that in the end, it's really up to the powerful. Hence third party candidates not even being allowed to debate. And we call this a democracy, the "land of the free." Wake up, folks. Stop getting your news from CNN. Subscribe to national newspapers like The Progressive, Lowdown, Harper's, and a host of others. Read. Inform yourselves. Get the Big Picture.

Comment from Sweden, part 1 of 3

Ralph Nader,

I'm a US citizen living in Sweden. My life here has enabled me to see the US in a new light when I compare it to Sweden's healthcare, education, consumer protection, energy use, environmental attitudes and fairness in government.

- Healthcare: tax funded, available to all at minimal cost (max. 130 USD per person per year)
- Education (university): tax funded, available to all at minimal cost (books, some living expenses)
- Consumer protection: complies with EU standards plus its own strict measures. Large percentages of most food items are produced and sold in Sweden with organic certification.
- Energy use: many cities are soon attaining a goal of deriving 5% of their energy from wind. Geothermal heating methods are commonplace as well as solar. Car refueling stations with bio-gas, electricity and ethanol are located in all major cities and towns. Recycling rates and kitchen waste donations to city bio-gas plants are high.

Comment from Sweden, part 2 of 3

- Government: Sweden has seven official parties and they are all represented together in public debates prior to elections. Voters are not pressured into believing that only one of two parties has a chance to succeed. They are all heard and all represented in the government, according to the percentage share of the popular vote they receive. Corporate financial bias not allowed.

This all probably sounds wonderful and perhaps it only works in a small, attitude-homogenous country like Sweden. However, I believe that the US can attain, to some degree, in its own fashion, similar high-standard qualities for living. It certainly has the means to do so.

Comment from Sweden, part 3 of 3

Despite the glitz and power that still emanates from the US, it is a country which is gravely behind the living standards of other modern nations. Ignorant voters, poor government and greedy corporations have held it back. From what I have read and heard from you and your running mate, I believe that you are the only candidates who can help the US catch up with countries like Sweden.

I posted my absentee ballot yesterday. I confidently voted for you and Gonzalez. May the US open their eyes and see that you're they're only chance to reach their full potential!

Laura Kvarnstrand
Sweden


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We are apt to shut our eyes against a painful truth... For my part, I am willing to know the whole truth; to know the worst; and to provide for it. --Patrick Henry

Tolli Lowell-Forker

The road to Fascism and the link to the church - why the government must stay out of religion.

An interesting quote from 'imbabci2' from a post on this blog:

http://www.alternet.org/blogs/election08/71066/

History Lesson: Mussolini had to foster good relations with the Roman Catholic Church because, regardless of his dictatorship, the Roman Catholic Church was such a powerful institution in Italy. While Mussolini governed the political side of Italy, the Roman Catholic Church governed the spiritual side. In this sense, Mussolini could not afford to anger the Roman Catholic Church.Mussolini had recognised this as early as 1920 when the fledgling future leader of Italy had said that the pope "represents 400 million men scattered the world over…….(this was) a colossal force." Once leader, Mussolini had to decide on whether to take on the power of the Roman Catholic Church in Italy or to work with it. He chose the latter. In this way, Italians did not have to have divided loyalties. Therefore, Mussolini worked to get the Roman Catholic Church to accept a Fascist state while he planned to offer the Roman Catholic Church what it wanted.In particular, Mussolini and the Roman Catholic Church clashed over who should control education. To ensure that children grew up as good Fascists, Mussolini wanted the state to control this - as it did. However, the Roman Catholic Church felt that it should have this power. Both sides worked for a compromise. The attempt to settle this dispute started in 1926 and it took until 1929 for agreements to be signed. These were the Lateran Treaties. They covered areas other than education.The Papal States,the name given to land previously owned by the Roman Catholic Church in Italy, had lost all its land in the 1870 unification of Italy. The Roman Catholic Church received £30 million in compensation in 1929 and the Church was given 109 acres in Rome to create a new papal state - the Vatican. The pope was allowed a small army, police force, post office and rail station. The pope was also given a country retreat called Castel Gandolfo.Another part of the treaty was called the Concordat. This made the Roman Catholic faith the state religion - this was a fait accompli anyway. The pope appointed his bishops, though they had to receive the government’s blessing. Religion had to be taught in both primary and secondary schools. The Roman Catholic Church was given full control of marriage.When these agreements were signed in 1929, Mussolini’s popularity was at its highest. He had got what he wanted - the support from the members of the public who may not have supported the Fascists but who saw the Roman Catholic Church working with the Fascist government, and that by itself created a tacit acceptance of Mussolini’s government.